Front Line with Kamran Shahid - 6th March 2012 - Zaid Hamid, Hassan Nisar, Ali Chishti

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  1. Kaleem

    Kaleem UnderEstimated Staff Member Administrative Siasi Karkun

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  2. kaki

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    The best scholar in Pak, i.e. Hassan Nisar, head to head against the worst enemy of Pakistan! Absolutely wonderful! Hassan Nisar is the best!

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    Hassan Nisar: "Mera aap ka role nahi hai.. ab jo karay ga shair karay gam aur woh zaroor karay ga!" By lion, he means science and technology. Absolutely spot on! These idiot dream sellers like Zaid Hamid talk about muslim umma and its delusion of grandeur. Nisar was right in saying ke arab to tum ko thooktay bhi nahi hain and its true. Ask anyone who has lived in the middle east. As he said, Kafeel paisay choos choos ker chhor day ga tumhain. You cant even get a nationality but when Mr Gora discriminates us then we start shouting. Why is it acceptable for the racist arabs to treat us like **** and Mr Gora cant do it.

    Zaid Hamid makes up stories from the history ke hazaar saal pehley muslims nay plane banaya. Agar banaya to phir 1000 saal tak so rahay thay kya? Aik University bata do Azhar ke ilawa, and woh bhi Fatimids nay banayi jis ko majority muslims to muslims bhi nahi maantay. Kis past per fakhar hai muslims ko?!!!
     
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    yaar maza aagya is papoo ki chitrol ka lolz......... Hum yeh kehtay hay hum nay yeh kaha hum nay kaha tha...... Abay Nawabi shok chorR bhi day budha ho gya hay Maulvi Tameez-ul-deen ki chotTi bahoo
     
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    Behgairat hassan nasar , now a big PTI supporter ,
     
  5. kaki

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    I always wanted to see these guys head to head. Absolutely amazing program!!!
     
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    The program was biased. It was one vs three. I am not a big fan of Zaid but he made few valid arguments. Pakistan is being governed by either pseudo democracy or the military rule. Then how can you blame islam for that? Very strange arguments by Hasan nisar. Does Islam asks to mix something in pure milk? strange argument.
     
  7. kaki

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    I see your point and this goes back to the discussion on separating out muslims from Islam. But then how come when we talk about Ibn-Sina then its all about Islamic scholar's achievements but when it comes to worst behaviour of most muslims then we want to separate Islam from the behaviour of muslims? Agar achaayi ka tamga sajanay ka shauq hai to burai ko bhi accept karo ke ye bhi muslims kertay hain. Hajj per choriyan bhi hum hi kertay hain, phir 5 times namazain bhi hum hi parhtay hain. West ko gaali denay ke baad Pajero main beth ker ghar bhi hum hi jatay hain.

    In my mind, religion and its followers should be treated separately.. so apni 2-4 achievement jo 1000 saal pehley hui hain us per mazhab ka tamga mat lagao khuda ke liye, warna to christians and jews ki achivements hum se kaheen zyada hai.. yes, there were some arabs in the history who did well but the rest of them f**ked up. We have done the same. So best to keep the religion out of this. Na to Einstein is liye great scientist tha ke he was born a Jew, na hi Bu Ali Sina was a great scholar because he was a muslim. They were great scientists and they happened to be born in a particular religion. Is main mazhab ka kya talluq hai!!
     
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    Chalo ji program to ek taraf ab dono paglon (Lal topi aur Hasan Nisar) key pujarion ki taen taen gravy mein miley gi lol !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    The thing that this pseudo HN does not understand is that their is something outside the frame of reference of the west. Its always good to brace your faults and mistakes but the wetsern society is not an ideal role model. It is based on the fault lines and is not worth emulating !!!!!!!

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    What's this hotch potch of yours mean. I couldnt get a word of it. Its the ideology and the philosophy that makes a civilization and its mould. The Point is that the Islamic civilization based on knowledge but rooted in the divine guidance and the retribution after resurrection is the best model to follow or the western secular model based on unadulterated reason and cut off from any form of the concept of life after death.

    And what does this comparison of Bu Al and Einstein mean ? Its so stupid - Islam provides a framework for healthy life style where knowledge flourishes along with a humane society deeply entrenched in the quest for truth. The west through renaissance threw off the yoke of life after death garlanded by the pope and co (to perpetuate ignorance and keep the society enslaved) and henceforth ushered in an era of a free thinking society - Not a bad thing in a way but they went too far to make reason as the new god. Intellect is one hell of a thing but a society that makes it god has seeds of destruction in itself or it must evolve!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    What a biased programe 1 vs 3.

    it was like Pakistan vs cia.

    however one zaid hamid is enought for 100 cia agents.

    hasan nisar drunk as usal.
     
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    سائنس اور ٹیکنالوجی اس طرح کے لوگوں کو روند کر گزر جاۓ گی

    یہ بہت پہلے ہی یہ جنگ ہار چکے ہیں

    عزت کی بحالی کا واحد راستہ "علم"ہے
     
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    Zaid H. waisay tu himself aik bigot hai par aik baat pata ki kar gia
    We are surrounded by two kinds of extremists, 1 are religious and other are secular!
    Society needs more in terms and balanced views and either kind of extremism should be discouraged.
    btw, mairi nazar main this show was full of extremists!
     
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    Front Line – 6th March 2012
    It was very disappointing to view this program. The guests Hassan Nisar
    Analyst, Dr. Fouzia Saeed Human Right Activist and Ali Chishti were disgracing your other
    guest Zaid Hamid Defence Analyst and the anchor Kamran Shahid who is supposed to maintain
    the respectful environment was openly letting those guests to let them use abusive words
    against Zaid Hamid. First I request Express channel to take notice of it and let the anchor
    teach how to respect their guests, even if they disagree.Any one could clearly notice that
    inspite of hearing such abusive and bad language, Mr Zaid Hamid did not respond badly.
    Secondly dont invite Hassan Nisar, Dr. Fouzia Saeed so called Human Right Activist and Ali
    Chishti in your program as they talk non sense and promote Secularism. Its suprising why the
    Express channel is allowing those guests to come on air. The point of Zaid Hamid is very
    strong about the philosphy of Allama Iqbal because in his philosphy he talked all about how
    to awaken the sleepy nation. so he is talking about hope and light. the dream he is talking
    about is the hope which the nation desperately requires today. so kindly dont push zaid
    hamid back by saying that its just a dream he is talking about. Its actually the dream we
    need to awaken in ourselves to progress. This is very plane and simple thing that whatever
    you want to do, you first dream it and then you act upon it if you dont dream it and dont
    have desire and hope of it how can you get it.
    The simplest solution of all this disasters
    which is going on in this country is Shariyat, which has not been imposed on this country
    for many years. By imposing this law we will be one of the leading and progressive countries
    of the world.As this law is flawless as it is made by no human beings but made and liked by
    Allah. It is a just law which gives right to everyone.

    Hope Mr Kamran understand his responsibility as a good and honest host
     
  14. beenoo

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    Hasan Nisar ke moo pe thappar: "Insaan khud apni zaat mein shikast khorda hota hai tho ussay har taraf shikast nazar aati hai." Shikast khorda H.Nisar sharabi siwaey daant nikalnay ke aur kya kar sakta hai.
     
  15. kaki

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    Sharam aani chahiye forum per Zaid Hamid ke supporters ko. Aik logical argument nahi detay. If they think we are this super nation and amazing achievers, then ginwao na apni achievements. They sing praises of Iqbal who was an introvert poet; he was great and total respect for him but then ye khudi ki philosophy ke saath we have been sitting for over 80 years now and whats been achieved. The best way to make progress is to accept our weaknesses and then start afresh. Like Mr Nisar said, ke tareekh ko maskh karo gay to tareekh ka kuch nahi bighray ga, woh tumhain maskh ker day gi. We have to come out of this 'pidram sultan bood' mentality and accept that the West is a thousand steps ahead of us and stop shouting that the west learnt from us and all that stuff. If they did learn from us then so what? What are we learning from them? Nothing??!!! Its people like Zaid Hamid who keep us behind, sadly.
     
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    I have always disagreed with ZH and his conspiracy theories and illusions of grandeur, but I agree with others on this forum that say that this program was unbelievably biased. In order to be fair, there should have been at least one other person like Orya Maqbool, etc to act as counterbalance. It was actually 4 against 1 as the host himself seemed to be lecturing ZH. Kamran Shahid is a terrible host and cannot help but show his bias by flippantly making snide remarks and then saying 'ye main nahin keh raha log sawal kartay hain'.

    A common problem that I have noticed in these debates is that there is no clearly defined topic. I didn't hear anybody from the 'liberal' side making any statement either blaming Islam itself or promoting secularism. Yet, ZH kept arguing that Islam has nothing to do with the corruption in our society and that secularism is not suitable for Pakistan. The 'liberals' were insisting on admitting our own faults and to stop pinning the blame on the the 'west' but ZH never addressed that argument.
     

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