Video Choraha 6th November 2010

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  1. Kaleem

    Kaleem UnderEstimated Staff Member Administrative Siasi Karkun

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  2. moazzamniaz

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    excellent program..................!
     
  3. Revolusionary

    Revolusionary Banned

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    Nice program but slightly misleading or I'd state a one sided presentation.

    Lal Khan, a Trotskyian, has mixed all sorts of emotionalism while discussing economics. He even condemned the de-nationalisation process which was infact first initiated by Benazir herself and this was an admission of the blunder of nationalisation that had taken place during (her Father) Bhutto's era. Ofcourse Bhutto took this decision due to the insane advice given to him by M.M. Ahmad who was his economic advisor. I am avoiding mentioning the background/affiliation of this economic advisor deliberately.

    No doubt this government hasn't helped at all in improving the quality of life of the masses but this doesn't at all mean that it is due to de-nationalisation. It is due to an incompetent and corrupt government. One of the ills of nationalisation is the government run schools itself whose standard of education is below par when compared with the International standards. Many students passing out from these government run schools are unfortunately a waste due to the poor quality of education they have had.

    Not just this but nationalisation also deterred foreign investors for quite some time and if there hadn't been an Afghan war with dollars flowing in, the ill effects of nationalisation would have been evident in as early as 80s. One should not be afraid of every foreign investor for having an agenda that of East India company as there are foreign investors in the world of economics who don't belong from Amrika and its allieds. Still, a strict check and balance by the government, media and judiciary can always help prevent any anti-state plans/activities brewing up in the executive corridors of these foreign companies.

    This world is a global village as far as economy is concerned and competing rather than refraining is the appropriate way forward. It isn't necessary that Pakistan should follow the laws of capitalism religously and a strong economy with an honest and reliable government can always show its teeth to the capitalists when needed to work its way out with its own terms and conditions. There is no doubt that capitalism is slowly fading out even though today China and Russia in a broader sense are its customers but until a better system takes over or, to my personal liking, a very strong Pakistan introduces its better home made economic system to the world in future INSHALLAH, the temporary adjustment and compromise under own terms and conditions (unlike bowing down) is a saner path to choose.
     
  4. rotomia2002

    rotomia2002 Gor Pya Koi Hor

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    Lal Khan for most part was right. After WW 2 to counter the Communism Keynesian model was followed in which state did try to ensure a certain facilities to the populace, espousing the idea of social liberalism. His rival theorist Friedrich Von Hayek on the other hand propogated a total free market economy, whose biggest champion was Milt Friedman, the leader of "Chicago Boys". For forty years Keynes' model was the success story of the western democracies, however with the fall of Soviet Union two other factors coincided that have brought us into today's mess. One was the internet bubble and the other was Alan Greenspan's appointment as the US Federal Reserve's chairman in 1987, who was an ardent follower of Milton Friedman. All of a sudden privatization, least governmental intrusion/control was the new mantra and the third world economies slid further into abyss. If market forces are to decide the best educational system or healthcare system, how'll a nation ever have any of these where none exists? Trickle down effect maybe areality in countries where democracy and democratic institutions have been entrenched for centuries but what about countries where it is fledgling?
    As for Benazir denationalizing some of the enterprises she was told that economy, Afghan and nuclear policies are no go areas for her. In her first cabinet meeting she was asking around "who is VA (Vasim Aun) Jafri"? her finance minister.
     
  5. Revolusionary

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    All for that we have witnessed in the recent history which isn't concocted, that all modems of communism failed to quite a certain extent and thus even one of the strong forts of marxism resulted in a Russia. China which had to adopt it due to external pressures, too, today is playing in between the two forms of economic show pieces being/been practised on planet earth nowadays. So long for Marxism that today the son of Ralph Miliband, a marxist buried close to Karl Marx (founder of marxism) in the same cemetery, Ed Miliband is the opposition leader of one of the capitalist supporter called UK.

    Having an opinion like Lal Khan is always worth listening but following it blindly is another matter. Benazir was in control of the economic policies minus defence budget and even the current government admits it and they also boast about the policies they had presented and adopted in their past incomplete stints. V.A. Jafri, the relative of Nasir Schon Jafri - the brother in law of Benazir. Both Zordari and Nasir have been partners in crime in the first two stints of the post Zia PPP. Nasir's Grand father was a colleague of Shahnawaz Bhutto at their stint of Junagadh. I'm sure one can easily find out the positions held by them in the state of Junagadh, thanks to the colonialists.


    Anyways, the talk was that both the economic systems i.e. Capitalism and the other haven't been able to improve the quality of life of the poor and thus this world desperately needs another better system and perhaps Pakistan one day will be able to latch on to this opportunity, but till then temporary adjustments and compromises on own terms and conditions is the sanest path to choose.

    Educational syllabuses are always better when standardised throughout the country and thus the government should always be in charge of the type of education being provided to its kids, it just needs here again a strict check and balance and close eye on the educational institutions rather than wasting its resources in delivering it. The expenses should be controlled and also should be beared by the government. For a country like Pakistan free education of good quality on emergency basis is the need of the hour. Health is always better off when it is run by the governments, never take any kinda risks with the health of your kids.
     
  6. khalid jamil malik

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    a good program.thank for uploading it.
     

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